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		<title><![CDATA[If You Must Be An Empire, Don&#8217;t Be An Incompetent Empire &raquo;]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 04:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Pournelle, on foreign policy.</p>

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  <p>Iraq is another story. We’re pulling out. We have spent $Trillions, we have left chaos, we have removed a major threat to the stability of Iran, and I am not sure what we got out of it. And Iraq certainly does have stuff we want. Oil, to begin with. A fair amount of Yellowcake – uranium ore. Lots of other stuff. And we’re running out because the Iraqis insist on applying Iraqi “law and order” to the US forces in Iraq.</p>
  
  <p>I’d be tempted give them a $3 Trillion bill on the way out, and leave an occupation force in one of their major oil fields where we’d be pumping oil and selling it until most of the bill was paid, but that option was apparently never considered. Incidentally, we could defend our occupied oil fields with Sudanese and for that matter Libyan mercenaries, which we pay for out of the oil proceeds.We wouldn’t need a large US force in Iraq; they could be in Kuwait . Pumping lots of Iraqi oil would drop the world price of crude, and be a great jobs program for the United States.</p>
  
  <p>&#8230; I don’t much like Empire as a policy, but if we are going to play Empire, can’t we find someone who knows how to do it competently?</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Pournelle, on foreign policy.</p>

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  <p>Iraq is another story. We’re pulling out. We have spent $Trillions, we have left chaos, we have removed a major threat to the stability of Iran, and I am not sure what we got out of it. And Iraq certainly does have stuff we want. Oil, to begin with. A fair amount of Yellowcake – uranium ore. Lots of other stuff. And we’re running out because the Iraqis insist on applying Iraqi “law and order” to the US forces in Iraq.</p>
  
  <p>I’d be tempted give them a $3 Trillion bill on the way out, and leave an occupation force in one of their major oil fields where we’d be pumping oil and selling it until most of the bill was paid, but that option was apparently never considered. Incidentally, we could defend our occupied oil fields with Sudanese and for that matter Libyan mercenaries, which we pay for out of the oil proceeds.We wouldn’t need a large US force in Iraq; they could be in Kuwait . Pumping lots of Iraqi oil would drop the world price of crude, and be a great jobs program for the United States.</p>
  
  <p>&#8230; I don’t much like Empire as a policy, but if we are going to play Empire, can’t we find someone who knows how to do it competently?</p>
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		<title>The Road to Fatima Gate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Foreign Policy]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Michael Totten is one of the most intrepid reporters that you&#8217;ve never heard of. He (mostly) travels alone, he stays independent, he talks to the people on the street and he reports exactly what he sees and hears. He&#8217;s seemingly unafraid of Islamic radicals or anyone else.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Road-Fatima-Gate-Hezbollah-ebook/dp/B004S7BBT0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&amp;s=digital-text&amp;qid=1305753260&amp;sr=1-1">The Road to Fatima Gate</a> is his first book.</p>

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  <p>The Road to Fatima Gate is a first-person narrative account of revolution, terrorism, and war during history&#8217;s violent return to Lebanon after fifteen years of quiet. Michael J. Totten&#8217;s version of events in one of the most volatile countries in the world&#8217;s most volatile region is one part war correspondence, one part memoir, and one part road movie.</p>
  
  <p>He sets up camp in a tent city built in downtown Beirut by anti-Syrian dissidents, is bullied and menaced by Hezbollah&#8217;s supposedly friendly &#8220;media relations&#8221; department, crouches under fire on the Lebanese-Israeli border during the six-week war in 2006, witnesses an Israeli ground invasion from behind a line of Merkava tanks, sneaks into Hezbollah&#8217;s post-war rubblescape without authorization, and is attacked in Beirut by militiamen who enforce obedience to the &#8220;resistance&#8221; at the point of a gun.</p>
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<p>The Near East Report <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/michaeltotten/2011/05/01/the-near-east-report/">interviewed</a> Michael Totten about his book and about Fatima Gate.</p>

<p>Sol Stern wrote <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/2011/bc0506ss.html">a review</a> for the City Journal.</p>

<p>And Peter Robinson, from the Hoover Institute, did a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p9eQJfBYhY">video interview</a> with Michael Totten about the book.</p>

<p>I think the book is worth a read.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Totten is one of the most intrepid reporters that you&#8217;ve never heard of. He (mostly) travels alone, he stays independent, he talks to the people on the street and he reports exactly what he sees and hears. He&#8217;s seemingly unafraid of Islamic radicals or anyone else.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Road-Fatima-Gate-Hezbollah-ebook/dp/B004S7BBT0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&amp;s=digital-text&amp;qid=1305753260&amp;sr=1-1">The Road to Fatima Gate</a> is his first book.</p>

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  <p>The Road to Fatima Gate is a first-person narrative account of revolution, terrorism, and war during history&#8217;s violent return to Lebanon after fifteen years of quiet. Michael J. Totten&#8217;s version of events in one of the most volatile countries in the world&#8217;s most volatile region is one part war correspondence, one part memoir, and one part road movie.</p>
  
  <p>He sets up camp in a tent city built in downtown Beirut by anti-Syrian dissidents, is bullied and menaced by Hezbollah&#8217;s supposedly friendly &#8220;media relations&#8221; department, crouches under fire on the Lebanese-Israeli border during the six-week war in 2006, witnesses an Israeli ground invasion from behind a line of Merkava tanks, sneaks into Hezbollah&#8217;s post-war rubblescape without authorization, and is attacked in Beirut by militiamen who enforce obedience to the &#8220;resistance&#8221; at the point of a gun.</p>
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<p>The Near East Report <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/michaeltotten/2011/05/01/the-near-east-report/">interviewed</a> Michael Totten about his book and about Fatima Gate.</p>

<p>Sol Stern wrote <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/2011/bc0506ss.html">a review</a> for the City Journal.</p>

<p>And Peter Robinson, from the Hoover Institute, did a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p9eQJfBYhY">video interview</a> with Michael Totten about the book.</p>

<p>I think the book is worth a read.</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[An Inside Look at the SEAL Sensibility &raquo;]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 01:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This is a great profile of the SEALs by a former SEAL. I have an absolutely incredible respect for these men.</p>

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  <p>What kind of man makes it through Hell Week? That&#8217;s hard to say. But I do know — generally — who won&#8217;t make it. There are a dozen types that fail: the weight-lifting meatheads who think that the size of their biceps is an indication of their strength, the kids covered in tattoos announcing to the world how tough they are, the preening leaders who don&#8217;t want to get dirty, and the look-at-me former athletes who have always been told they are stars but have never have been pushed beyond the envelope of their talent to the core of their character. In short, those who fail are the ones who focus on show. The vicious beauty of Hell Week is that you either survive or fail, you endure or you quit, you do—or you do not.</p>
  
  <p>Some men who seemed impossibly weak at the beginning of SEAL training—men who puked on runs and had trouble with pull-ups—made it. Some men who were skinny and short and whose teeth chattered just looking at the ocean also made it. Some men who were visibly afraid, sometimes to the point of shaking, made it too.</p>
  
  <p>Almost all the men who survived possessed one common quality. Even in great pain, faced with the test of their lives, they had the ability to step outside of their own pain, put aside their own fear and ask: How can I help the guy next to me? They had more than the &#8220;fist&#8221; of courage and physical strength. They also had a heart large enough to think about others, to dedicate themselves to a higher purpose.</p>
  
  <p>SEALs are capable of great violence, but that&#8217;s not what makes them truly special. Given two weeks of training and a bunch of rifles, any reasonably fit group of 16 athletes (the size of a SEAL platoon) can be trained to do harm. What distinguishes SEALs is that they can be thoughtful, disciplined and proportional in the use of force.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great profile of the SEALs by a former SEAL. I have an absolutely incredible respect for these men.</p>

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  <p>What kind of man makes it through Hell Week? That&#8217;s hard to say. But I do know — generally — who won&#8217;t make it. There are a dozen types that fail: the weight-lifting meatheads who think that the size of their biceps is an indication of their strength, the kids covered in tattoos announcing to the world how tough they are, the preening leaders who don&#8217;t want to get dirty, and the look-at-me former athletes who have always been told they are stars but have never have been pushed beyond the envelope of their talent to the core of their character. In short, those who fail are the ones who focus on show. The vicious beauty of Hell Week is that you either survive or fail, you endure or you quit, you do—or you do not.</p>
  
  <p>Some men who seemed impossibly weak at the beginning of SEAL training—men who puked on runs and had trouble with pull-ups—made it. Some men who were skinny and short and whose teeth chattered just looking at the ocean also made it. Some men who were visibly afraid, sometimes to the point of shaking, made it too.</p>
  
  <p>Almost all the men who survived possessed one common quality. Even in great pain, faced with the test of their lives, they had the ability to step outside of their own pain, put aside their own fear and ask: How can I help the guy next to me? They had more than the &#8220;fist&#8221; of courage and physical strength. They also had a heart large enough to think about others, to dedicate themselves to a higher purpose.</p>
  
  <p>SEALs are capable of great violence, but that&#8217;s not what makes them truly special. Given two weeks of training and a bunch of rifles, any reasonably fit group of 16 athletes (the size of a SEAL platoon) can be trained to do harm. What distinguishes SEALs is that they can be thoughtful, disciplined and proportional in the use of force.</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[Mexicans Are Fed Up with the War on Drugs &raquo;]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 18:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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  <p>A few days ago, tens of thousands of Mexicans in scores of Mexican cities participated in public protests against the War on Drugs and the use of the Mexican army as anti-drug warriors. The violence that has accompanied the Mexican government’s attempts to defeat the drug dealers during the past several years has claimed perhaps as many as 40,000 lives. Some cities, especially Ciudad Juarez, across the river from El Paso, Texas, have become virtual battlefields.</p>
  
  <p>All of this would be sufficiently dreadful if it had accompanied legitimate efforts to suppress real criminals. But although the drug dealers have committed murders, robberies, and other genuine crimes, to be sure, the foundation of this entire “war” is the U.S. government’s attempts to suppress actions — possessing, buying, and selling certain substances — that violate no one’s natural rights. Not to mince words, the War on Drugs is completely evil, from alpha to omega. No one who believes in human liberty can coherently support it. That its prosecution should have resulted in death and human suffering on such a vast scale constitutes an indictment of every person who has conducted or supported this wicked undertaking from its outset.</p>
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  <p>A few days ago, tens of thousands of Mexicans in scores of Mexican cities participated in public protests against the War on Drugs and the use of the Mexican army as anti-drug warriors. The violence that has accompanied the Mexican government’s attempts to defeat the drug dealers during the past several years has claimed perhaps as many as 40,000 lives. Some cities, especially Ciudad Juarez, across the river from El Paso, Texas, have become virtual battlefields.</p>
  
  <p>All of this would be sufficiently dreadful if it had accompanied legitimate efforts to suppress real criminals. But although the drug dealers have committed murders, robberies, and other genuine crimes, to be sure, the foundation of this entire “war” is the U.S. government’s attempts to suppress actions — possessing, buying, and selling certain substances — that violate no one’s natural rights. Not to mince words, the War on Drugs is completely evil, from alpha to omega. No one who believes in human liberty can coherently support it. That its prosecution should have resulted in death and human suffering on such a vast scale constitutes an indictment of every person who has conducted or supported this wicked undertaking from its outset.</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[Against Libya &raquo;]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Foreign Policy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Barack Obama]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Victor Davis Hanson elucidates why conservatives oppose the &#8220;non-war&#8221; that President Obama is &#8220;not fighting&#8221; in Libya.</p>

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  <p>2) Approval: To start a third war in the Middle East, the president should have first gone to Congress, especially since he and Vice President Biden have compiled an entire corpus of past speeches, some quite incendiary, equating presidential military intervention without congressional approval with illegality to the point of an impeachable offense (cf. Biden’s warning to Bush over a possible Iran strike). And why boast of U.N. and Arab League approval but not seek the sanction of the U.S. Congress?</p>
  
  <p>3) Consistency: Why is meddling okay in Libya but was not okay in Iran when dissidents there were likewise making headway? Is there any rationale that determines our response to unrest in Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, or Libya? It seems we are making it up ad hoc, always in reaction to the perceived pulse of popular demonstrations — always a hit-and-miss, day-late-dollar-short proposition.</p>
  
  <p>4) Aims and Objectives: Fact: We are now and then bombing Libyan ground targets in order to enhance the chances of rebel success in removing or killing Qaddafi. Fiction: We are not offering ground support but only establishing a no-fly zone, and have no desire to force by military means Qaddafi to leave. Questions: Is our aim, then, a reformed Qaddafi? A permanently revolutionary landscape? A partitioned, bisected nation? What is the model? Afghanistan? Mogadishu? The 12-year no-fly-zone in Iraq? A Mubarak-like forced exile? Who are the rebels? Westernized reformers? Muslim Brotherhood types? A mix? Who knows? Who cares?</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor Davis Hanson elucidates why conservatives oppose the &#8220;non-war&#8221; that President Obama is &#8220;not fighting&#8221; in Libya.</p>

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  <p>2) Approval: To start a third war in the Middle East, the president should have first gone to Congress, especially since he and Vice President Biden have compiled an entire corpus of past speeches, some quite incendiary, equating presidential military intervention without congressional approval with illegality to the point of an impeachable offense (cf. Biden’s warning to Bush over a possible Iran strike). And why boast of U.N. and Arab League approval but not seek the sanction of the U.S. Congress?</p>
  
  <p>3) Consistency: Why is meddling okay in Libya but was not okay in Iran when dissidents there were likewise making headway? Is there any rationale that determines our response to unrest in Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, or Libya? It seems we are making it up ad hoc, always in reaction to the perceived pulse of popular demonstrations — always a hit-and-miss, day-late-dollar-short proposition.</p>
  
  <p>4) Aims and Objectives: Fact: We are now and then bombing Libyan ground targets in order to enhance the chances of rebel success in removing or killing Qaddafi. Fiction: We are not offering ground support but only establishing a no-fly zone, and have no desire to force by military means Qaddafi to leave. Questions: Is our aim, then, a reformed Qaddafi? A permanently revolutionary landscape? A partitioned, bisected nation? What is the model? Afghanistan? Mogadishu? The 12-year no-fly-zone in Iraq? A Mubarak-like forced exile? Who are the rebels? Westernized reformers? Muslim Brotherhood types? A mix? Who knows? Who cares?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I believe <a href="http://minorthoughts.com/politics/re-fort-hoods-shootings/">this post</a> finishes our site&#8217;s libertarian conversion. We now occupy the same portion of the libertarian spectrum that <a href="http://lewrockwell.com/">LewRockwell.com</a> occupies.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t like America&#8217;s wars of aggression. The problem, as I see it, is that it can be hard to tell the difference between a war of aggression and a good preemptive defense. For instance, I&#8217;m still not convinced that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. I&#8217;m not sure what risk we were defending ourselves against.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Afghanistan was a necessary war. You give safe harbor to people who blow up part of a city, you die. It&#8217;s just that simple. But I think that we should have left a while ago. I&#8217;m not sure that we&#8217;re accomplishing anything worthwhile by propping up a corrupt Karzai government. I know about the fear that that terrorists will get Pakistani nukes and attack us with those. But I&#8217;m not sure how likely that scenario is or how fragile Pakistan&#8217;s own government is. So I&#8217;m not sure if what we&#8217;re doing is preemptive defense against a nuclear scenario or whether we&#8217;re engaging in blatant imperialism for no good return.</p>

<p>But I am grateful for those who do decide to join the military and protect our borders. I respect their loyalty, their sense of honor, and their dedication. I don&#8217;t always agree with their mission but I know that I&#8217;m not qualified to judge how necessary each mission is. As a result, I do sympathize with them and with their families. For this attack, especially.</p>

<p>The Army, for its own inscrutable reasons decided that stateside military bases should be gun-free zones. That strikes me as absolute lunacy. Had someone removed this nut months ago when it became apparent that he was a nut, soldiers would be alive today. Had someone decided to allow our soldiers to carry the guns that they were trained to carry, more of them would be alive today.</p>

<p>I have a lot of sympathy for people who are hamstrung and betrayed by their own leadership. Incidents like this raise a lot of questions about whether a bureaucratized military is the best way to protect a country. I&#8217;m not sure that it is. The institutional Army protects its turf quite fiercely, even when that turf isn&#8217;t worth protecting. Instead, I&#8217;d like to see us get back to the old way of doing things: no standing army and a fully armed citizenry that stands ready to form an ad-hoc army as conditions warrant.</p>

<p>Michael Z. Williamson envisioned a heavily armed libertarian society in his book <a href="http://www.webscription.net/p-162-freehold.aspx">Freehold</a>. I rather like it. And I can think a large portion of our current military would like it too. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re in the military because they&#8217;re thugs. I think they&#8217;re in the military because it&#8217;s the only institution we have that will allow them to arm up and stand on the borders, protecting those within. Getting called upon to engage in dubious ventures is an unfortunate cost of being a protector. And that&#8217;s why I sympathize with them.</p>

<p>And, just for the record, I think <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/gaddy/gaddy72.1.html">this LewRockwell.com post</a> is more than a little nuts itself.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe <a href="http://minorthoughts.com/politics/re-fort-hoods-shootings/">this post</a> finishes our site&#8217;s libertarian conversion. We now occupy the same portion of the libertarian spectrum that <a href="http://lewrockwell.com/">LewRockwell.com</a> occupies.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t like America&#8217;s wars of aggression. The problem, as I see it, is that it can be hard to tell the difference between a war of aggression and a good preemptive defense. For instance, I&#8217;m still not convinced that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. I&#8217;m not sure what risk we were defending ourselves against.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Afghanistan was a necessary war. You give safe harbor to people who blow up part of a city, you die. It&#8217;s just that simple. But I think that we should have left a while ago. I&#8217;m not sure that we&#8217;re accomplishing anything worthwhile by propping up a corrupt Karzai government. I know about the fear that that terrorists will get Pakistani nukes and attack us with those. But I&#8217;m not sure how likely that scenario is or how fragile Pakistan&#8217;s own government is. So I&#8217;m not sure if what we&#8217;re doing is preemptive defense against a nuclear scenario or whether we&#8217;re engaging in blatant imperialism for no good return.</p>

<p>But I am grateful for those who do decide to join the military and protect our borders. I respect their loyalty, their sense of honor, and their dedication. I don&#8217;t always agree with their mission but I know that I&#8217;m not qualified to judge how necessary each mission is. As a result, I do sympathize with them and with their families. For this attack, especially.</p>

<p>The Army, for its own inscrutable reasons decided that stateside military bases should be gun-free zones. That strikes me as absolute lunacy. Had someone removed this nut months ago when it became apparent that he was a nut, soldiers would be alive today. Had someone decided to allow our soldiers to carry the guns that they were trained to carry, more of them would be alive today.</p>

<p>I have a lot of sympathy for people who are hamstrung and betrayed by their own leadership. Incidents like this raise a lot of questions about whether a bureaucratized military is the best way to protect a country. I&#8217;m not sure that it is. The institutional Army protects its turf quite fiercely, even when that turf isn&#8217;t worth protecting. Instead, I&#8217;d like to see us get back to the old way of doing things: no standing army and a fully armed citizenry that stands ready to form an ad-hoc army as conditions warrant.</p>

<p>Michael Z. Williamson envisioned a heavily armed libertarian society in his book <a href="http://www.webscription.net/p-162-freehold.aspx">Freehold</a>. I rather like it. And I can think a large portion of our current military would like it too. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re in the military because they&#8217;re thugs. I think they&#8217;re in the military because it&#8217;s the only institution we have that will allow them to arm up and stand on the borders, protecting those within. Getting called upon to engage in dubious ventures is an unfortunate cost of being a protector. And that&#8217;s why I sympathize with them.</p>

<p>And, just for the record, I think <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/gaddy/gaddy72.1.html">this LewRockwell.com post</a> is more than a little nuts itself.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t like it when anyone gets hurt, on the other hand I find it difficult to work up sympathy for a bunch of people who are dead now because they promised an organization that in return for a minimum of $350 a week (as an enlisted) or $664 per week (as an officer), they&#8217;d help kill anybody they were asked to.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t like it when anyone gets hurt, on the other hand I find it difficult to work up sympathy for a bunch of people who are dead now because they promised an organization that in return for a minimum of $350 a week (as an enlisted) or $664 per week (as an officer), they&#8217;d help kill anybody they were asked to.</p>
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		<title>How Much Military Is Enough?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For the past two years, I&#8217;ve been slowly trying to figure out my opinion about U.S. foreign policy and the U.S. military. There are a lot of very bad people in the world. The thuggish mullahs of Iran and the even more thuggish dictator of North Korea jump immediately to mind. But one shouldn&#8217;t forget about the thugs in Africa (Robert Mugabe and the like), the thugs in Latin America (Hugo Chavez and friends), or the thugs in Europe (Vladimir Putin).</p>

<p>But what should the American response be? Is it our responsibility to throw them out and make the world a better place? Is it our responsibility to protect our friends (Israel, South Korea, Japan, etc) or should we only be concerned with the countries and individuals that pose a legitimate threat to our homeland? How big should the U.S. military be and how should we use it?</p>

<p>I still don&#8217;t know what my opinion is. It vacillates between &#8220;nuke &#8216;em all&#8221; and &#8220;let the world take care of itself&#8221;, depending on the day and how recently I&#8217;ve read about foreign atrocities. So I was interested to read <a href="http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2009/Q3/view580.html#F22">Jerry Pournelle&#8217;s take on the question</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>The British at one time had a naval policy of having a fleet able to defeat the next two fleets in the world; but at that time Britain had an Empire and relied on it for a number of things. The US is not an empire, and we don&#8217;t seem to be learning how to be one. The question becomes.; how large a force does the US need to defend our legitimate foreign policy goals We already spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined. This may be excessive, depending on what we think we must do with that military.</p>
  
  <p>I&#8217;m not at all convinced that we need NATO now that the USSR is gone. I am not sure what good it does us to have pledges from Germany to go to war if someone attacks us. I am thoroughly unaware of why we might need the Georgian army to help us if we are invaded. I can see that our commitment to them is valuable to them, but I am not certain I understand the value to the US of the US guarantee to Germany and potentially to Georgia.</p>
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<p>I know that such guarantees are hideously expensive. And I&#8217;m inclined to make the snotty Europeans bear the cost of their own military defense. Overall, I think I favor downsizing the American military and getting out of Germany, South Korea, Japan, etc. But I&#8217;m not sure what the long term consequences of that would be. In 50 years, would we be facing a threat from a much larger and more expansionist Chinese or Russian military? It gives me pause.</p>

<p><strong>Update (5:39PM):</strong> Via NRO, I see that, unless things change, China may not be too worrisome in the future.</p>

<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzY2ZDJjZmZjNTQ3ZmRmOWQ4MzBmM2VkYmNiNTk0ZWU=">China&#8217;s Population Policy, and Ours &#8211; John Derbyshire &#8211; The Corner on National Review Online</a></p>

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  <p>China is not far behind Japan on the path to the demographic cliff edge. Fertility figures are no more dependable than any other Chinese statistics, but there seems to be general agreement that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate">the current TFR</a> is in the 1.7 to 1.8 range, somewhere between Sweden and Belgium in the international rankings.</p>
  
  <p>For China, still a poor country with a huge peasant population, this is <a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-old6-2009jul06,0,6977821.story">starting to throw up problems</a>. With the one-child policy entering its fourth decade, the typical Chinese in his prime productive years now has two elderly parents to support. Elderly, and likely penniless, since those parents left <em>their</em> productive years without ever having had the opportunity to accumulate much.</p>
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<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTI2ZDE2Y2UwZjBmZDVlMWU4YzBlNzg5MGE5NjA5ZTQ=">The Mainstreaming of Demographic Alarmism (Cont.) &#8211; Mark Steyn &#8211; The Corner on National Review Online</a></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>On page 5 of my notoriously &#8220;alarmist&#8221; book, I asked, &#8220;Will China be the hyperpower of the 21st century?&#8221;, and answered no: It will get old before it&#8217;s got rich.</p>
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<p>These opinions make me even more likely to take an isolationist approach.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past two years, I&#8217;ve been slowly trying to figure out my opinion about U.S. foreign policy and the U.S. military. There are a lot of very bad people in the world. The thuggish mullahs of Iran and the even more thuggish dictator of North Korea jump immediately to mind. But one shouldn&#8217;t forget about the thugs in Africa (Robert Mugabe and the like), the thugs in Latin America (Hugo Chavez and friends), or the thugs in Europe (Vladimir Putin).</p>

<p>But what should the American response be? Is it our responsibility to throw them out and make the world a better place? Is it our responsibility to protect our friends (Israel, South Korea, Japan, etc) or should we only be concerned with the countries and individuals that pose a legitimate threat to our homeland? How big should the U.S. military be and how should we use it?</p>

<p>I still don&#8217;t know what my opinion is. It vacillates between &#8220;nuke &#8216;em all&#8221; and &#8220;let the world take care of itself&#8221;, depending on the day and how recently I&#8217;ve read about foreign atrocities. So I was interested to read <a href="http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2009/Q3/view580.html#F22">Jerry Pournelle&#8217;s take on the question</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>The British at one time had a naval policy of having a fleet able to defeat the next two fleets in the world; but at that time Britain had an Empire and relied on it for a number of things. The US is not an empire, and we don&#8217;t seem to be learning how to be one. The question becomes.; how large a force does the US need to defend our legitimate foreign policy goals We already spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined. This may be excessive, depending on what we think we must do with that military.</p>
  
  <p>I&#8217;m not at all convinced that we need NATO now that the USSR is gone. I am not sure what good it does us to have pledges from Germany to go to war if someone attacks us. I am thoroughly unaware of why we might need the Georgian army to help us if we are invaded. I can see that our commitment to them is valuable to them, but I am not certain I understand the value to the US of the US guarantee to Germany and potentially to Georgia.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I know that such guarantees are hideously expensive. And I&#8217;m inclined to make the snotty Europeans bear the cost of their own military defense. Overall, I think I favor downsizing the American military and getting out of Germany, South Korea, Japan, etc. But I&#8217;m not sure what the long term consequences of that would be. In 50 years, would we be facing a threat from a much larger and more expansionist Chinese or Russian military? It gives me pause.</p>

<p><strong>Update (5:39PM):</strong> Via NRO, I see that, unless things change, China may not be too worrisome in the future.</p>

<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzY2ZDJjZmZjNTQ3ZmRmOWQ4MzBmM2VkYmNiNTk0ZWU=">China&#8217;s Population Policy, and Ours &#8211; John Derbyshire &#8211; The Corner on National Review Online</a></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>China is not far behind Japan on the path to the demographic cliff edge. Fertility figures are no more dependable than any other Chinese statistics, but there seems to be general agreement that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate">the current TFR</a> is in the 1.7 to 1.8 range, somewhere between Sweden and Belgium in the international rankings.</p>
  
  <p>For China, still a poor country with a huge peasant population, this is <a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-old6-2009jul06,0,6977821.story">starting to throw up problems</a>. With the one-child policy entering its fourth decade, the typical Chinese in his prime productive years now has two elderly parents to support. Elderly, and likely penniless, since those parents left <em>their</em> productive years without ever having had the opportunity to accumulate much.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTI2ZDE2Y2UwZjBmZDVlMWU4YzBlNzg5MGE5NjA5ZTQ=">The Mainstreaming of Demographic Alarmism (Cont.) &#8211; Mark Steyn &#8211; The Corner on National Review Online</a></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>On page 5 of my notoriously &#8220;alarmist&#8221; book, I asked, &#8220;Will China be the hyperpower of the 21st century?&#8221;, and answered no: It will get old before it&#8217;s got rich.</p>
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<p>These opinions make me even more likely to take an isolationist approach.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/05/the-future-of-i.php">Michael J. Totten: The Future in Iraq, Part 1</a>.</p>

<p>On the <em>Jaysh al Mahdi</em>, Moqtada al Sadr&#8217;s radical Mahdi Army militia:</p>

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  <p>Hajji Jasim, General Nasser&#8217;s guest from the office of the Mahdi Army&#8217;s &ldquo;political wing,&rdquo; sat next to Major Kareem on the couch. &ldquo;Understand something,&rdquo; he said to Captain Heil. &ldquo;In the media, JAM only pretends to oppose the Status of Forces Agreement. Privately, we like it. It helps Sadr more than anything else. Those committing violence are going against Sadr&#8217;s orders. You wanted the occupation to last 20 more years. Now, under SOFA, it&#8217;s down to three years. That&#8217;s great for us.&rdquo;</p>
  
  <p>When I met Tom Ricks a few weeks ago, he relayed to me an <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/04/the-dissidents.php">interesting anecdote</a> from his new book about the surge called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594201978?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=michajtottesm-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1594201978">The Gamble</a>. &ldquo;Sadr&rsquo;s people entered into secret negotiations with the United States in, I think, 2007, about whether or not to have negotiations,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;They said <em>before we begin any talks, we have to have a date certain when you will withdraw from Iraq</em>. The American policy said <em>we can&rsquo;t do that</em>. So the Sadrists said <em>well, then we can&rsquo;t have talks</em>. Then the Americans said, <em>well, just out of curiosity, what was the [withdrawal] date you had in mind?</em> The Sadrists said 2013. Which put them on the right-wing of the U.S. Congress.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>On the use of force in Iraq:</p>

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  <p>Iraq has never been successfully governed by anyone but a strongman. You might even say Iraq has never been successfully governed at all. Who today sincerely believes the use of force by Saddam Hussein&#8217;s Baath Party regime was an effective &ldquo;remedy&rdquo; for the Iraqi people, as General Nasser put it? Still, despite my unease with what he was saying, I don&#8217;t think he necessarily meant a totalitarian system is the solution to what ails Iraq.</p>
  
  <p>&ldquo;Twelve JAM members were brought to court recently,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;They asked to be put under American justice because you are softer and jail people under better conditions. Iraqis are not like Americans. You are educated, we aren&#8217;t. Without force, Iraqis cannot be civilized. Americans don&#8217;t use real force. You talk to people nicely and worry about human rights.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>On peace in the Middle East:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>&ldquo;If the U.S. solves three problems,&rdquo; the general said, &ldquo;American-Arab relations will be very good. First, resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict. Second, promote democracy in the Arab world. Third, destroy the Wahhabis. If you solve these problems, all will be well.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>On pro-American Iraqis:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to tell if Iraqis who talk the pro-American talk are sincere or if they&#8217;re just blowing smoke. General Nasser, I think, was sincere. His body language and tone of voice said so, as did the naked calculation of his own interests.</p>
  
  <p>&ldquo;I had Iraqis here at my house recently,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;I told them Americans are better than you because they keep their word and they are disciplined. American people are not profiteers. Their wisdom led them to this. I want Iraqis to learn about American honor.&rdquo;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On the feelings toward American soldiers:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Iraqi public opinion is hard to read. Most Arabs are exceptionally polite and hospitable people, and they&#8217;ll almost always conceal any hostility as a matter of course. That&#8217;s true everywhere in the Arab world as long as the people aren&#8217;t violently hostile.</p>
  
  <p>Much of Iraq used to be violently hostile. Even kids in Sadr City used to throw rocks at American soldiers. Some Baghdad neighborhoods were so dangerous that Americans who left the relative security of their base had a 100 percent chance of being attacked. Overt hostility is rare now, and violent attacks are even rarer. Something important has changed. Reconciliation between Americans and Iraqis is real.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On the rule of law:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>&ldquo;The insurgency now is more criminal than anything else,&rdquo; Colonel Hort said. &ldquo;The Al Qaeda threat isn&#8217;t down to that point yet, but Shia insurgents are becoming more and more criminal than anything else. We&#8217;re working closely now with Iraqi judges, as well as Iraqi Security Forces, to ensure that when we identify a guy we&#8217;re getting a warrant and arresting the guy that way. It&#8217;s a significant change for us that we now need a warrant to make an arrest like we do in the States.&rdquo;</p>
  
  <p>Some American officers I met are worried that more terrorists and insurgents will remain at large now that warrants are needed for their arrest, but others are convinced this is wonderful news. It is, at least for the time being, just barely possible to wage a counterinsurgency using law enforcement methods instead of war-fighting methods. There is such a thing as an acceptable level of violence, and Iraq is nearer to that point than it has been in years. Baghdad is no longer the war zone it was.</p>
  
  <p>Some also say a transition to warrant-based arrests now instead of later gives American officers time to train their local counterparts how the rule of law works instead of letting the Iraqis sink or swim on their own later.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Read the <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/05/the-future-of-i.php">full article</a>, please.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/05/the-future-of-i.php">Michael J. Totten: The Future in Iraq, Part 1</a>.</p>

<p>On the <em>Jaysh al Mahdi</em>, Moqtada al Sadr&#8217;s radical Mahdi Army militia:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Hajji Jasim, General Nasser&#8217;s guest from the office of the Mahdi Army&#8217;s &ldquo;political wing,&rdquo; sat next to Major Kareem on the couch. &ldquo;Understand something,&rdquo; he said to Captain Heil. &ldquo;In the media, JAM only pretends to oppose the Status of Forces Agreement. Privately, we like it. It helps Sadr more than anything else. Those committing violence are going against Sadr&#8217;s orders. You wanted the occupation to last 20 more years. Now, under SOFA, it&#8217;s down to three years. That&#8217;s great for us.&rdquo;</p>
  
  <p>When I met Tom Ricks a few weeks ago, he relayed to me an <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/04/the-dissidents.php">interesting anecdote</a> from his new book about the surge called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594201978?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=michajtottesm-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1594201978">The Gamble</a>. &ldquo;Sadr&rsquo;s people entered into secret negotiations with the United States in, I think, 2007, about whether or not to have negotiations,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;They said <em>before we begin any talks, we have to have a date certain when you will withdraw from Iraq</em>. The American policy said <em>we can&rsquo;t do that</em>. So the Sadrists said <em>well, then we can&rsquo;t have talks</em>. Then the Americans said, <em>well, just out of curiosity, what was the [withdrawal] date you had in mind?</em> The Sadrists said 2013. Which put them on the right-wing of the U.S. Congress.&rdquo;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On the use of force in Iraq:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Iraq has never been successfully governed by anyone but a strongman. You might even say Iraq has never been successfully governed at all. Who today sincerely believes the use of force by Saddam Hussein&#8217;s Baath Party regime was an effective &ldquo;remedy&rdquo; for the Iraqi people, as General Nasser put it? Still, despite my unease with what he was saying, I don&#8217;t think he necessarily meant a totalitarian system is the solution to what ails Iraq.</p>
  
  <p>&ldquo;Twelve JAM members were brought to court recently,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;They asked to be put under American justice because you are softer and jail people under better conditions. Iraqis are not like Americans. You are educated, we aren&#8217;t. Without force, Iraqis cannot be civilized. Americans don&#8217;t use real force. You talk to people nicely and worry about human rights.&rdquo;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On peace in the Middle East:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>&ldquo;If the U.S. solves three problems,&rdquo; the general said, &ldquo;American-Arab relations will be very good. First, resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict. Second, promote democracy in the Arab world. Third, destroy the Wahhabis. If you solve these problems, all will be well.&rdquo;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On pro-American Iraqis:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to tell if Iraqis who talk the pro-American talk are sincere or if they&#8217;re just blowing smoke. General Nasser, I think, was sincere. His body language and tone of voice said so, as did the naked calculation of his own interests.</p>
  
  <p>&ldquo;I had Iraqis here at my house recently,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;I told them Americans are better than you because they keep their word and they are disciplined. American people are not profiteers. Their wisdom led them to this. I want Iraqis to learn about American honor.&rdquo;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On the feelings toward American soldiers:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Iraqi public opinion is hard to read. Most Arabs are exceptionally polite and hospitable people, and they&#8217;ll almost always conceal any hostility as a matter of course. That&#8217;s true everywhere in the Arab world as long as the people aren&#8217;t violently hostile.</p>
  
  <p>Much of Iraq used to be violently hostile. Even kids in Sadr City used to throw rocks at American soldiers. Some Baghdad neighborhoods were so dangerous that Americans who left the relative security of their base had a 100 percent chance of being attacked. Overt hostility is rare now, and violent attacks are even rarer. Something important has changed. Reconciliation between Americans and Iraqis is real.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>On the rule of law:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>&ldquo;The insurgency now is more criminal than anything else,&rdquo; Colonel Hort said. &ldquo;The Al Qaeda threat isn&#8217;t down to that point yet, but Shia insurgents are becoming more and more criminal than anything else. We&#8217;re working closely now with Iraqi judges, as well as Iraqi Security Forces, to ensure that when we identify a guy we&#8217;re getting a warrant and arresting the guy that way. It&#8217;s a significant change for us that we now need a warrant to make an arrest like we do in the States.&rdquo;</p>
  
  <p>Some American officers I met are worried that more terrorists and insurgents will remain at large now that warrants are needed for their arrest, but others are convinced this is wonderful news. It is, at least for the time being, just barely possible to wage a counterinsurgency using law enforcement methods instead of war-fighting methods. There is such a thing as an acceptable level of violence, and Iraq is nearer to that point than it has been in years. Baghdad is no longer the war zone it was.</p>
  
  <p>Some also say a transition to warrant-based arrests now instead of later gives American officers time to train their local counterparts how the rule of law works instead of letting the Iraqis sink or swim on their own later.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Read the <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/05/the-future-of-i.php">full article</a>, please.</p>
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		<title>President Obama Bows to the King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This is simply unacceptable. The American President DOES NOT bow down to a king. Ever.</p>

<p>But that&#8217;s exactly what President Obama did at the G20. <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/obama_bows_down_to_saudi_king.html">President Obama bowed to the Saudi King</a>.</p>

<p><img src="http://minorthoughts.desertflood.com/files/2009/04/bowing-to-saudi-king.jpg" alt="bowing to Saudi King.jpg" border="0" width="520" height="413" align="left" class="alignleft" /></p>

<p>Video (it&#8217;s around the 53 second mark).</p>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is simply unacceptable. The American President DOES NOT bow down to a king. Ever.</p>

<p>But that&#8217;s exactly what President Obama did at the G20. <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/obama_bows_down_to_saudi_king.html">President Obama bowed to the Saudi King</a>.</p>

<p><img src="http://minorthoughts.desertflood.com/files/2009/04/bowing-to-saudi-king.jpg" alt="bowing to Saudi King.jpg" border="0" width="520" height="413" align="left" class="alignleft" /></p>

<p>Video (it&#8217;s around the 53 second mark).</p>

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