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		<title>Estimating health care reform costs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jon R. Gabel writes in the New York Times today, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/opinion/26gabel.html?pagewanted=all">saying that we shouldn&#8217;t fear the cost of health care reform</a> because the CBO has a long history of underestimating the savings from reforms.</p>

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  <p>In the early 1980s, Congress changed the way Medicare paid hospitals so that payments would no longer be based on costs incurred. &#8230; The Congressional Budget Office predicted that, from 1983 to 1986, this change would slow Medicare hospital spending (which had been rising much faster than the rate of inflation) by $10 billion, and that by 1986 total spending would be $60 billion. Actual spending in 1986 was $49 billion. The savings in 1986 alone were as much as three years of estimated savings.</p>
  
  <p>In the 1990s, the biggest change in Medicare came with the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, a compromise between a Republican-controlled Congress and a Democratic administration. &#8230; The actual savings turned out to be 50 percent greater in 1998 and 113 percent greater in 1999 than the budget office forecast.</p>
  
  <p>In the current decade, the major legislative change to the system was the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, which added a prescription drug benefit. In assessing how much this new program would cost, the Congressional Budget Office assumed that prices would rise as patients demanded more drugs, and estimated that spending on the drug benefit would be $206 billion.</p>
  
  <p>Actual spending was nearly 40 percent less than that.</p>
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<p>I find it interesting though that his savings numbers only extend out a few years. For instance, he talks about how much was saved in 1986, from the 1983 bill, but doesn&#8217;t talk about hospital spending trends since then. How much has the 1983 bill saved over the past 26 years? He talks about how much money was saved in 1998 and 1999 as a result of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, but he doesn&#8217;t talk about how much has been saved in the intervening 10 years. Did the trend continue?</p>

<p>Then I saw this graph, of Congressional health care underestimates. (Courtesy of <a href="http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/expenditures-for-health-programs-always-outpace-early-estimates/">John Goodman</a>, courtesy of the <a href="http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Studies.Home">Joint Economic Commitee</a>. You can read the <a href="http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/_files/Are_Health_Care_Reform_Cost_Estimates_Reliable__July_31_2009.pdf">full report</a>.)</p>

<p><a href="http://minorthoughts.desertflood.com/files/2009/08/Chart_for_FYI_Expenditures_for_Health_Programs_Larger.jpg"><img src="http://minorthoughts.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Chart_for_FYI_Expenditures_for_Health_Programs_Larger-300x193.jpg" alt="Chart for FYI Expenditures for Health Programs" title="Chart for FYI Expenditures for Health Programs" width="300" height="193" class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1236" /></a></p>

<p>It looks like health care costs are underestimated far more than they&#8217;re overestimated.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon R. Gabel writes in the New York Times today, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/opinion/26gabel.html?pagewanted=all">saying that we shouldn&#8217;t fear the cost of health care reform</a> because the CBO has a long history of underestimating the savings from reforms.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>In the early 1980s, Congress changed the way Medicare paid hospitals so that payments would no longer be based on costs incurred. &#8230; The Congressional Budget Office predicted that, from 1983 to 1986, this change would slow Medicare hospital spending (which had been rising much faster than the rate of inflation) by $10 billion, and that by 1986 total spending would be $60 billion. Actual spending in 1986 was $49 billion. The savings in 1986 alone were as much as three years of estimated savings.</p>
  
  <p>In the 1990s, the biggest change in Medicare came with the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, a compromise between a Republican-controlled Congress and a Democratic administration. &#8230; The actual savings turned out to be 50 percent greater in 1998 and 113 percent greater in 1999 than the budget office forecast.</p>
  
  <p>In the current decade, the major legislative change to the system was the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, which added a prescription drug benefit. In assessing how much this new program would cost, the Congressional Budget Office assumed that prices would rise as patients demanded more drugs, and estimated that spending on the drug benefit would be $206 billion.</p>
  
  <p>Actual spending was nearly 40 percent less than that.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I find it interesting though that his savings numbers only extend out a few years. For instance, he talks about how much was saved in 1986, from the 1983 bill, but doesn&#8217;t talk about hospital spending trends since then. How much has the 1983 bill saved over the past 26 years? He talks about how much money was saved in 1998 and 1999 as a result of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, but he doesn&#8217;t talk about how much has been saved in the intervening 10 years. Did the trend continue?</p>

<p>Then I saw this graph, of Congressional health care underestimates. (Courtesy of <a href="http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/expenditures-for-health-programs-always-outpace-early-estimates/">John Goodman</a>, courtesy of the <a href="http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Studies.Home">Joint Economic Commitee</a>. You can read the <a href="http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/_files/Are_Health_Care_Reform_Cost_Estimates_Reliable__July_31_2009.pdf">full report</a>.)</p>

<p><a href="http://minorthoughts.desertflood.com/files/2009/08/Chart_for_FYI_Expenditures_for_Health_Programs_Larger.jpg"><img src="http://minorthoughts.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Chart_for_FYI_Expenditures_for_Health_Programs_Larger-300x193.jpg" alt="Chart for FYI Expenditures for Health Programs" title="Chart for FYI Expenditures for Health Programs" width="300" height="193" class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1236" /></a></p>

<p>It looks like health care costs are underestimated far more than they&#8217;re overestimated.</p>
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		<title>John Stossel on health care markets</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I should know by now that whenever I try to explain something John Stossel has <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/135727.html">already explained it better</a>. First, he delivers a great quote about why competition keeps prices low.</p>

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  <p>In a free market, a business that is complacent about costs learns that its prices are too high when it sees lower-cost competitors winning over its customers.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I posted yesterday about why <a href="http://minorthoughts.com/healthcare/the-problem-with-health-insurance-exchanges/">&#8220;exchanges&#8221; are worse than free markets</a>. Stossel takes that on too and does a far better job than I did.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>&#8230; Competition is not a bunch of companies offering the same products and services in the same way. That sterile notion of competition assumes we already know all that there is to know.</p>
  
  <p>But consumers often don&#8217;t know what they want until it&#8217;s offered, and their preferences and requirements change. Businesses don&#8217;t know exactly what consumers want or the most efficient way to produce it until they are in the thick of the competitive hustle and bustle.</p>
  
  <p>Nobel laureate F.A. Hayek taught that competition is a &#8220;discovery procedure.&#8221; In other words, the &#8220;data&#8221; of supply and demand emerge <em>only</em> through the market process. We need open-ended competition not merely to see which rival is better, but to learn things we didn&#8217;t know before and aren&#8217;t likely to learn any other way.</p>
  
  <p>&#8220;Competition is valuable <em>only</em> because, and so far as, its results are unpredictable and on the whole different from those which anyone has, or could have, deliberately aimed at,&#8221; Hayek wrote.</p>
  
  <p>The health care bills are perfect examples. If competition is a discovery process, the congressional bills would impose the opposite of competition. They would forbid real choice.</p>
  
  <p>In place of the variety of products that competition would generate, we would be forced &#8220;choose&#8221; among virtually identical insurance plans. Government would define these plans down to the last detail. Every one would have at least the same &#8220;basic&#8221; coverage, including physical exams, maternity benefits, well-baby care, alcoholism treatment, and mental-health services. Consumers could not buy a cheap, high-deductible catastrophic policy. Every insurance company would have to use an identical government-designed pricing structure. Prices would be the same for sick and healthy.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should know by now that whenever I try to explain something John Stossel has <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/135727.html">already explained it better</a>. First, he delivers a great quote about why competition keeps prices low.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>In a free market, a business that is complacent about costs learns that its prices are too high when it sees lower-cost competitors winning over its customers.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I posted yesterday about why <a href="http://minorthoughts.com/healthcare/the-problem-with-health-insurance-exchanges/">&#8220;exchanges&#8221; are worse than free markets</a>. Stossel takes that on too and does a far better job than I did.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>&#8230; Competition is not a bunch of companies offering the same products and services in the same way. That sterile notion of competition assumes we already know all that there is to know.</p>
  
  <p>But consumers often don&#8217;t know what they want until it&#8217;s offered, and their preferences and requirements change. Businesses don&#8217;t know exactly what consumers want or the most efficient way to produce it until they are in the thick of the competitive hustle and bustle.</p>
  
  <p>Nobel laureate F.A. Hayek taught that competition is a &#8220;discovery procedure.&#8221; In other words, the &#8220;data&#8221; of supply and demand emerge <em>only</em> through the market process. We need open-ended competition not merely to see which rival is better, but to learn things we didn&#8217;t know before and aren&#8217;t likely to learn any other way.</p>
  
  <p>&#8220;Competition is valuable <em>only</em> because, and so far as, its results are unpredictable and on the whole different from those which anyone has, or could have, deliberately aimed at,&#8221; Hayek wrote.</p>
  
  <p>The health care bills are perfect examples. If competition is a discovery process, the congressional bills would impose the opposite of competition. They would forbid real choice.</p>
  
  <p>In place of the variety of products that competition would generate, we would be forced &#8220;choose&#8221; among virtually identical insurance plans. Government would define these plans down to the last detail. Every one would have at least the same &#8220;basic&#8221; coverage, including physical exams, maternity benefits, well-baby care, alcoholism treatment, and mental-health services. Consumers could not buy a cheap, high-deductible catastrophic policy. Every insurance company would have to use an identical government-designed pricing structure. Prices would be the same for sick and healthy.</p>
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		<title>The Problem with American Healthcare</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Martin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Why does healthcare in America seem so broken? There&#8217;s actually a very simply reason: the people receiving the care are not the people paying for the care. As always, he who pays the piper calls the tune. <a href="http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2008/01/feedback-and-th.html">Russ Roberts breaks it down</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>So why doesn&#8217;t a hospital work better? The answer I think, is that the level of specialization in medicine has emerged from a process that has very few incentives to make sure that the level of specialization is as productive as it should be. There are very few informational feedback loops. Very little accountability. Sure, if a surgeon leaves a scalpel in your chest cavity and sews you back up, the surgeon bears a cost. And as a result, it doesn&#8217;t happen very often. But the kind of errors that Arnold worries about, the kind of errors that I&#8217;ve worried about with my Dad in the hospital (and the kind I&#8217;ve seen made) are the ones that have little or no consequence to anyone other than the patient.</p>
  
  <p>These errors are built into the system. When a drug leads to unexpected side effects because the right questions weren&#8217;t asked, when an opportunity for a safer treatment is missed, when an aggressive treatment for one illness weakens the immune system and leads to other problems, who can you blame? Who bears a cost other than the patient?</p>
  
  <p>You can blame the hospital of course, whatever that means, but the costs to the human beings who work in the hospital are small. There are no feedback loops within the hospital to reward generalists who look for the costs of specializations. And the reason there are not is because the patient is not the customer. <strong>The patient is not paying the bill. The financial incentives that do exist are coming from Medicare and Medicaid and the insurance companies. The normal feedback loops that protect the customer from error and greed and simple stupidity are missing.</strong> In a way, it&#8217;s amazing it works as well as it does. It works as well as it does presumably because most doctors and nurses do care about the lives in their hands. But it&#8217;s imperfect and could be much better.</p>
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<p>( Via <a href="http://cafehayek.typepad.com/">Cafe Hayek</a>.)</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does healthcare in America seem so broken? There&#8217;s actually a very simply reason: the people receiving the care are not the people paying for the care. As always, he who pays the piper calls the tune. <a href="http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2008/01/feedback-and-th.html">Russ Roberts breaks it down</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>So why doesn&#8217;t a hospital work better? The answer I think, is that the level of specialization in medicine has emerged from a process that has very few incentives to make sure that the level of specialization is as productive as it should be. There are very few informational feedback loops. Very little accountability. Sure, if a surgeon leaves a scalpel in your chest cavity and sews you back up, the surgeon bears a cost. And as a result, it doesn&#8217;t happen very often. But the kind of errors that Arnold worries about, the kind of errors that I&#8217;ve worried about with my Dad in the hospital (and the kind I&#8217;ve seen made) are the ones that have little or no consequence to anyone other than the patient.</p>
  
  <p>These errors are built into the system. When a drug leads to unexpected side effects because the right questions weren&#8217;t asked, when an opportunity for a safer treatment is missed, when an aggressive treatment for one illness weakens the immune system and leads to other problems, who can you blame? Who bears a cost other than the patient?</p>
  
  <p>You can blame the hospital of course, whatever that means, but the costs to the human beings who work in the hospital are small. There are no feedback loops within the hospital to reward generalists who look for the costs of specializations. And the reason there are not is because the patient is not the customer. <strong>The patient is not paying the bill. The financial incentives that do exist are coming from Medicare and Medicaid and the insurance companies. The normal feedback loops that protect the customer from error and greed and simple stupidity are missing.</strong> In a way, it&#8217;s amazing it works as well as it does. It works as well as it does presumably because most doctors and nurses do care about the lives in their hands. But it&#8217;s imperfect and could be much better.</p>
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<p>( Via <a href="http://cafehayek.typepad.com/">Cafe Hayek</a>.)</p>
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